First Impressions of the Plains Commerce Bank Oral Argument

I noticed several themes in the Plains Commerce Bank oral argument. In no particular order, here are my thoughts.

First, the regulatory vs. adjudicatory jurisdiction question. Justice Scalia jumped right out with the first question to the Bank’s counsel (Mr. Banker) about the Bank’s argument that the Montana 1 exception allows for tribal regulatory jurisdiction, but not adjudicatory jurisdiction. After that colloquy, it appeared the Bank’s argument was discarded, since, as Justices Souter, Ginsburg, and Scalia noted, (1) Montana 1 and the subsequent cases did not make that holding, and (2) the distinction does not appear in federal preemption cases where Congress regulates but does not expressly provide for adjudication.

Second, the critical question of how a tribe can have authority to regulate or adjudicate the rights of nonmembers who cannot vote in tribal elections (what Justice Kennedy usually refers to as the consent of the governed question) appears to have been a wash. Mr. Frederick faced these questions from Justices Kennedy and Ginsburg. His answer was that a nonmember can seek review of a tribal court decision in state and federal courts once the tribe/tribal entity/member/other plaintiff seeks enforcement of the tribal court decision in state court (and perhaps in federal courts, too). I thought this was a wash, because in the criminal context (i.e., Duro), the Court seemed to reject (or ignore) the argument that a criminal defendant could get habeas review of a criminal conviction. But in the civil context, the Court might not be so worried.

Third, the Chief Justice repeatedly questioned Mr. Frederick about how to find tribal law, strongly implying that it was unknowable or too difficult to locate. Of course, with the excellent record of the Cheyenne River Sioux’s tribal judiciary (that is, being published in the Indian Law Reporter all the time), that question didn’t have as much impact. Also, as Mr. Frederick noted, the CRST adopted the federal rules of civil procedure, something the Bank should be able to recognize. Justice Scalia and the Chief Justice worried that the tribal court would take the FRCP and interpret the Rules in accordance with tribal law, turning knowable domestic law into unknowable tribal law, but that didn’t seem to go very far.

Fourth, related somewhat to the previous point, the tricky question of whether the tribal jury verdict and award relied upon tribal common law. Here, I thought Mr. Frederick’s responses were nothing short of outstanding. The Bank all along has argued that the tribal jury and courts relied upon a tribal common law cause of action (discrimination, a tort), rather than a simple contract claim. The jury verdict noted that they ruled in favor of the Long Family on both claims, tort and contract. However, clearing away the debris, Mr. Frederick noted that the tribal court actually found that there could be no discrimination claim and that there were facts that supported the verdict on the contract claim alone. Moreover, Mr. Frederick noted that the tribal court made that ruling by relying on the FRCP. And, interestingly enough, the question of whether (under the FRCP) a federal court can find that a verdict supported by one allowable cause of action and one invalid cause of action has the federal circuits split. Naturally, the tribal court (following the FRCP) would have to pick one of the routes followed by the split circuits, and did so. Luckily, the tribal judge (BJ Jones, handling a complex case brilliantly) followed the Ninth Circuit’s rule (propounded by Judge Kozinski) that the entire verdict is allowable so long as the facts support the valid cause of action (that is, the verdict is still good even after kicking out the invalid cause of action).

Of course, all of this presumes that the tribal common law cause of action was invalid as applied to a nonmember, which Mr. Frederick correctly must have predicted the Court would think.

Fifth, at least a few Members of the Court (Souter, for one) thought this fact pattern might be a prototypical example of the Montana 1 exception on commercial consensual relations. That’s a good sign.

Sixth, and finally, it seems pretty clear that the Chief Justice and Justice Alito are not very sympathetic to tribal interests. The Chief Justice in particular pressed Mr. Frederick repeatedly on questions of tribal law, the racial character of Indian-owned corporations, and on the facts. Justice Alito made some half-hearted attempts to resurrect Mr. Banker’s argument, but by the end of Mr. Frederick’s argument, he almost seemed to be conceding to the Long Family, noting that the facts seemed to favor the Longs and asking Mr. Frederick for his recommendation on a general rule.

I’m still skeptical of the Long Family’s chances, given the Court’s composition, but from the transcript it appears the argument went well for the Long Family.

Oral Argument Transcript — Plains Commerce Bank

Here:

Oral Argument Transcript

Plains Commerce Bank v Long Family Oral Argument Today

From SCOTUSBlog:

At 10 a.m., the Court is scheduled to hear argument in Plains Commerce Bank v. Long Family Land & Cattle (07-411), involving authority of Indian tribal courts. Paul A. Banker of Minneapolis, Minn., will argue for the petitioner, and David C. Frederick of Washington, D.C., and Curtis E. Gannon of the Solicitor General’s office will argue for the respondent.

Plains Commerce Bank: US Solicitor General’s Office to Participate in Oral Argument

The Court granted the government’s motion to argue the case as amicus curiae, diving the respondent’s argument time. Here is the docket sheet.

Vann v. Kempthorne D.C Circuit Oral Argument Scheduled

The oral argument is scheduled for May 6, 2008, before Circuit Judges Tatel, Garland, and Griffith.

Here is the order.

Justice Kennedy: “Hostile Indians” may have been a motivating factor for 2nd amendment.

In yesterday’s oral arguments at the Supreme Court for District of Columbia v. Heller – the case regarding the constitutionality of the Washington, D.C. handgun ban – the justices were concerned with the issue of whether the right to “bear arms” under the 2nd amendment is a “personal” right, or a right secured for the states to allow them to organize a militia.

Justice Kennedy indicated his belief that the right is personal, and suggested that “hostile Indian tribes” may have been a motivating factor. From the transcript of oral arguments:

JUSTICE KENNEDY: Well, do you think the clause, the second clause, the operative clause [of the second amendment], is related to something other than the militia?

MR. DELLINGER [Attorney for Washington, D.C.]: No. I think —

JUSTICE KENNEDY: All right. Well then —

MR. DELLINGER: — the second clause, the phrase “keep and bear arms,” when “bear arms” is referred to — is referred to in a military context, that is so that even if you left aside —

JUSTICE KENNEDY: It had nothing to do with the concern of the remote settler to defend himself and his family against hostile Indian tribes and outlaws, wolves and bears and grizzlies and things like that?

MR. DELLINGER: That is not the discourse that is part of the Second Amendment. And when you read the debates, the congressional debates, the only use of the phrase “keep and bear arms” is a military phrase, and —

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I’m not one who likes to attempt to divine a sinister meaning from every off-hand remark, but I did find Justice Kennedy’s use of the term “hostile Indian tribes” along side “outlaws, wolves and bears and grizzlies and things like that” interesting. I don’t believe that he intended to insult Indian tribes with his remark, but I do believe that it is reflective of the court’s longstanding and continuing view that Indian tribes are a danger to society (see the Oliphant & Montana cases)- just like “outlaws, wolves and bears and grizzlies and things like that.” I’ll leave it to Matthew, Wenona, and Kate to expound upon any deeper meanings in this statement. I just found it both interesting and amusing.

The complete transcript of the oral argument in the D.C. handgun case can be found on the SCOTUS Blog.

Audio of Ninth Circuit Oral Argument in Snowbowl Case

Audio in Navajo Nation et al. v. US Forest Service available here, thanks to Indianz.

Our previous posts about the case are here and here.

“Work[ing] Over” Appellate Litigators: The Rhode Island Supreme Court

From the Providence Journal (H/T Indianz):

“I’d rather eat peas, go to a dentist, and listen to Britney Spears sing than be a lawyer appearing before the state Supreme Court.

“These judges are tough. In questions and sideline commentary during oral arguments, they’re abrasive with all parties. At yesterday’s hearing on whether Governor Carcieri must testify in the coming Superior Court trial of Narragansett Indians arrested in the 2003 smoke shop raid, the justices first pounced on his lawyer, Marc DeSisto, and on Special Assistant Attorney General Pamela Chin, who was on the same side.

“Then they pounced as aggressively, if not more, on William Devereaux, lawyer for the Narragansetts. Then, when DeSisto rose for rebuttal, Chief Justice Frank Williams greeted him by chirping, “We’ll work you over, too.”